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Won, and Lost


For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
     (Mark 8:36, KJV)

JACKSONVILLE — I’m tired of this. I’m tired of walking out of a stadium, or turning off the television, and trying to figure out how to defend the indefensible rather than celebrating a hard-won team victory. I’m tired of the adulation, the array of jerseys in Dick’s, and the kid gloves from the coaching staff. Most of all, I’m tired of being embarrassed by someone wearing our colors and our logo.

We should be talking about yesterday’s Virginia Tech win over a tough Louisville team. We should be praising Cedric Humes’s 113 yards and a touchdown and the Hokie offense’s zero-turnover performance. We should be congratulating junior offensive lineman Brandon Frye, who replaced injured senior Jimmy Martin and stood his ground against Louisville’s national defensive player of the year Elvis Dumervil, and freshman corner Brandon Flowers, who stood in for Jimmy Williams after a completely meritless ejection and made it seamless for the Hokie defense. They earned the ink.

Instead, we’re talking about Marcus again. In the second quarter, he got up from a Dumervil tackle after a nine-yard gain, took a quick look around to see if any officials were watching, then stomped on the back of Dumervil’s leg. It was a completely classless act, easily akin to UVa’s Brad Butler’s October cheap shot on BC’s Matthias Kiwanuka. Vick compounded his error postgame by lying that it was accidental and about apologizing to Dumervil: Frank Beamer sent him over to the Louisville locker room to do so; Vick then told reporters Dumervil “definitely” accepted his apology, but Dumervil and Louisville coach Bobby Petrino both said they never saw him.

Two Virginia-based writers, the (Newport News) Daily Press’s David Teel and the Roanoke Times’s Aaron McFarling, had good columns out early ripping Vick and pretty much everyone on the coaching staff but Vick’s position coach Kevin Rogers, who had the guts to call the play what it was:

“There’s no place for it in the game. It hurts him. It hurts our program, and it’s frankly just embarrassing.”

The likely reason Rogers felt able to speak out is that he’s not one of Frank Beamer’s boys, like the rest of the staff: Rogers was offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach at Syracuse and Notre Dame before coming to Blacksburg. Rogers has said he enjoys VT and his job here and isn’t looking to change jobs, and with his pedigree, odds are he’s gotten feelers. That further validates Rogers and his opinion in my book; he’s shown loyalty to Tech where it was neither owed by him to us nor personally beneficial to him. Would that Frank Beamer had backed Rogers’s comments up.

And that’s the bigger problem, one demonstrated clearly in 2003, suppressed in 2004 under Bryan Randall’s leadership, but back now: we’ve sold out. We have become that which we once hated: a win-at-all-costs program. I commented at Eric’s place yesterday that Beamer’s act now sounds a lot like Bobby Bowden’s 1999 defense of Peter Warrick’s shoplifting spree: “It’s not like he shot the President.” Now the same fans that took Dillard’s bags to the 2000 Sugar Bowl are wearing #5 jerseys and making excuses. It wasn’t acceptable then, and it isn’t acceptable now.

Most of all, I’d just like to be proud again. Walking out of the Orange Bowl Stadium in December 2004, I was proud to wear maroon and orange — and even after that Sugar Bowl, despite the loss. I wish I could have felt the same yesterday.

3 January 2006 / 14 Comments / Tags: football

Comments on “Won, and Lost”

  1. Good post - spells it out like it is.

    Heidi on January 4th, 2006 at 7:30 am
  2. My first thought on seeing that was “Classless”. My second thought was “When does he graduate?” (or more to the point: “When do we get rid of him?”)

    I won’t be the slightest bit disappointed if that is the last game he [Vick, the younger] plays for us.

    Ach on January 4th, 2006 at 5:36 pm
  3. Louisville fan here…

    Thanks for this nice and honest piece.

    Congrats on the game!

    tele64 on January 4th, 2006 at 6:35 pm
  4. You’ll get no argument from me. It was classless and left a very bitter taste in my mouth, for what should’ve been a great win. And will there be repercussions after-the-fact for Vick? Probably not, and I know Beamer is better than that.

    Bret on January 4th, 2006 at 7:26 pm
  5. Agree with you Josh … I don’t want to be a conspiracy theorist but I get the sad feeling that if VT knew the 2006 schedule started with a cupcake then Marcus would already be suspended but they are waiting to see if we get started with Wisconsin or an ACC game before passing judgement. Although this is just a thought and I have no real reason other than it has popped into my head a few times, it does make things worse to me if they are waiting for a reason like that.

    Andrew on January 5th, 2006 at 10:26 am
  6. Andrew, I think you’re exactly right.

    Josh on January 5th, 2006 at 11:08 am
  7. does Tech have the will to do what is right and find a new quarterback. The long term future demands that the school send a clear message to current and future players that certain behavior IS NEVER ACCEPTABLE

    neonemory on January 6th, 2006 at 10:25 am
  8. I’m a WVU fan and I watched earlier this year as Marcus stuck his middle finger up to our fans (not that we didn’t deserve it, we probably did.. but an athlete shouldn’t do that) and then forearm one of our coaches in the head after being run out of bounds on our sideline. Was he given any sort of punishment for that incident? No. VT says they’re going to suspend him for this latest cheap shot that he’s getting so good at, but who knows if that will really happen. Beamer seems to be the worst of everyone defending him, calling it “unfortunate.” Unfortunate is a flat tire, this is unexcusable, this is assault. Maybe Beamer is thinking back to his visit to Morgantown when he slapped one of his own players in the head and realizing that if he can be excused for his own horrible actions then Vick should be too. I honestly feel bad for those of you who are posting on here that you are embarassed. I hope you can get this fixed. And soon.

    Steve on January 6th, 2006 at 12:09 pm
  9. Well, Steve, Marcus is gone, and that’s good. But to draw a comparison between the stomp and Beamer slapping Ernest Wilford upside his helmeted head to get his attention is asinine.

    I’ve laid off talking about other people during this episode, because it’s our problem to solve. And I’m not addressing this to you or tele64, because y’all have been reasonable. But the self-righteousness coming out of large sectors of the Louisville and WVU fanbases begs for a smackdown. When you go back and watch the game tape, Louisville came in in the first half trying to provoke a reaction (and got it, which is VT’s fault). One thing the NBC broadcast didn’t show is the Louisville players trying to start fights with Hokies as the players went off for halftime, and their own coaches having to hold them back.

    As for WVU… well, here at VT we have problems with some of our players, and our fans are embarrassed over it. At WVU, the players and coaches are generally stand-up (if slightly obnoxious, in the case of RichRod — very good coach, though), and the fans are the embarrassment.

    Josh on January 6th, 2006 at 6:20 pm
  10. Josh, just what , specifically do you refer to when you write that the UL players were “trying to provoke a reaction” Furthermore, how can you come off with writing that the UL players were trying to start fights after the “angelic” displays of Vick and his teammates? I think that UL’s #91 should be commended for not taking Vick’s head off, right after that crime, instead of just getting in his face.

    You Vah Tech fans should be happy that the QB your D was “teeing off” on was just the walk-on frosh back-up instead of the first string QB. Otherwise your team would have lost more than just their composure in this game. (Check the facts: all season the Brohm was the 1-3 rated QB in D1)

    Before this game I admired the V Tech program. In fact , the Louavul papers were writing about how this program was one on which the UL program was modeled. After watching what I saw on 02 Jan 2006, the Virginia Tech Football program is the last one I would want to ever be compared to.

    Maybe they could learn a lot about true character from a non-scholarship frosh walk-on who gave them all they wanted. I hope you noticed that despite all the shots they took at him, he never once complained or asked to be taken out. In the REAL game of life, Hunter Cantwell proved that he is much more of a winner than Marcus Vick and his Va Tech football team can ever hope to be!

    cardfaninmd on January 6th, 2006 at 7:36 pm
  11. card, thank you. You just made a good example of my point.

    Just as nothing Louisville did excuses anything VT did, none of VT’s actions prohibit me from taking notice that UL’s players weren’t perfect either. Read what the head ref said while condemning VT’s first-half play: “Louisville wasn’t as bad.” That’s not exactly a sterling assessment. Watch the first set of offsetting personal fouls, where your #46 took four swings at VT #31 Brenden Hill, who only briefly got a hand in his face (outside the facemask). You guys seem to think that because Vick is a no-class loser, that washes you pure as the driven snow. Wrong.

    Cantwell deserves his props (and yes, so does Dumervil for not immediately coming after Vick). He stood in longer than anyone should have expected him to, and kept his head while very few other players on either team were doing so. He’s going to be a very good QB for Louisville.

    Josh on January 6th, 2006 at 8:00 pm
  12. Well, a previous poster gets his wish. Marcus Vick has been permenantly dismissed from Va Tech.

    I’m neither a Louisville nor a Va Tech fan and, sadly, missed this particular game. The sounds of it are that both teams play dirty. Dirty pool or no, Vick was an embarassment to himself and his team, turned a bowl victory into people like me asking why he was even allowed to finish the game, and got what he deserved.

    What really makes all this sad is that he’ll likely just go pro and keep thinking he’s above the law when, in reality, he’s become a poster child for coporal punishment.

    Michael on January 6th, 2006 at 9:46 pm
  13. All I have to say is that yes, both teams played dirty in that first part of the game… however, what truly sickens me is the complete ignorance and inability on behalf of the V Tech coach to admit that Vick needs to go. I mean really now… it’s time to stop defending the guy! And the fact that he pretty much blatantly ignored Rogers who saw the whole sad event happen and wanted him out of the game immediately shows a real lack of respect for his fellow coaches as well.

    All I have to say after watching this game is thank God I’m a UK fan :O) Lol… we may not be able to win (ever… literally)… but at least we don’t play dirty!

    Rachel on January 8th, 2006 at 2:06 am
  14. I ve been a college football fan for over forty five years. The events in the Gator Bowl were not only sad for VA Tech, they were bad for college football.The fact that action was not taken by the tech coaching staff at the time to remove Vick from the game showed what was really important to the Tech coaaching staff.This inaction speaks to a more severe problem at Tech. The loss of integrity and the win at any cost attitude that are now the trademark of a once proud football program.I hope coach Beamer quits trying to pattern his program after that of Miami, although the more I see Tech the only difference I see is difference in the color of the uniforms.

    Richard on January 9th, 2006 at 11:08 pm