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"Clam Chowder Meets Barbecue"


With a title borrowed from HokieSports.com’s Roth Report, it’s time to talk about a topic I would have rather not had to breach: Boston College entering the Atlantic Coast Conference.

The move has been beaten to death in Big Media-land, so I’ll give you a selection of links to peruse, then come back with my thoughts.

You won’t be surprised to hear that I’m seriously down on this move as well. Any of the other four BE all-sports members would have been a better move, in my view. Geographically, Pittsburgh or WVU would have worked much better; although WVU has standing rivalries with Maryland and VT and an outright hatred for UVa, its low academic reputation made it a no-chancer and turned Pittsburgh into the obvious geographic choice. If they had to have a Northeastern private school, Syracuse would have been a better cultural fit, particularly given its lacrosse history (the Orangemen were actually asked to join the ACC’s lacrosse league several years ago, but politely declined). The school with the most future promise might well have been UConn — it would certainly shore up any basketball reputation damage the Hokies and Miami might cause, and they likely deliver more of the New York media than BC does Boston.

So given all that, why the Eagles? I think we have to look back to the initial phases of expansion. Those strongly point to a conspiracy between BC and Miami to leave the ACC, if not necessarily to destroy the BE in the process. Boston College was, if anything, even more publicly enthusiastic than Miami at the initial announcement — in a rare convergence of opinions, both Hokies and Irish started referring to BC as Fredo on popular message boards.

Connecticut probably burned their chances with the aggressiveness of AG Richard Blumenthal. Pittsburgh and Syracuse merely suffered from being too boring, and as aforementioned, WVU couldn’t get past its academic reputation. Louisville, while amusing and potentially promising as an(other) incursion into SEC territory, was never a serious consideration; the ACC’s ego wouldn’t let it bring in a school from a (supposedly) lower level — which also hurt UConn.

Where are we now? A lot of that depends on whether BC’s lawyers can poke holes in the BE’s revised membership agreement, agreed to last month but reportedly not yet signed. If that happens, don’t be shocked to see them in next year, and a conference championship game established in Charlotte. Otherwise, they could be in for up to 2 years of lame-duck status. My bet is that they negotiate their way out for next year, perhaps compromising by agreeing to pay the revised $5M exit fee.

When that happens, the ACC will shift to its pre-set but currently hidden divisional structure — at least for football. BC will join a division with FSU, Maryland, N.C. State, Wake Forest and Clemson; the Hokies will draw the short straw and become BC’s “permanent rival” from the other division. In fairness, we have more history with BC than anyone else save Miami, and the Canes’ cross-divisional rivalry is clearly set with Florida State. (It’s been rumored that TV execs strongly suggested UM and FSU be placed in opposite divisions, to allow for a possible rematch in the championship game.) To have UVa and Miami in our division is really all we could ask for. We might have liked to establish a regional rivalry with Maryland, or re-establish our long-running series with Florida State (the only two schools Tech has played more often in its history are UVa and WVU, and FSU has only played UF, UM and Auburn more often), but you can’t have everything.

I’ll stick to my prediction that Syracuse and Pittsburgh will now go to war over the 12th spot in the Big 11. WVU, on the other hand, is watching Vanderbilt’s ongoing saga and praying that Vandy’s reform movement might lead it out of the SEC and open up a spot for the ‘Eers. UConn is essentially hosed.

14 October 2003 / 8 Comments / Tags: football

Comments on “"Clam Chowder Meets Barbecue"”

  1. You know, not being in the states my football addiction has really suffered. I don’t even read TechSideline regularly anymore…and I had been a member since about the summer of 98! I don’t even have “the pass” anymore… The SHAME! ;)

    Therefore…your articles on the conference realignment are about my only source of info on the topic. And they’re enough…because they’re good. Thanks Crockett. :)

    amy on October 15th, 2003 at 3:06 am
  2. Josh, explain to me again why BC can’t leave the Big East in football only. I know the NCAA doesn’t want teams to have different sports in different conferences but football is clearly such a different sport in terms of popularity and money-generating capability (and this move is only about football) it would seem to make sense for the NCAA to allow schools to make football-only connections among themselves. I mean, why aren’t they forcing Notre Dame to join a league? Why aren’t they forcing the ice hockey BC Eagles to play the ACC Travelling All-Stars in a mushy rink in Winston-Salem for the next 50 years? I don’t get it.

    Justin Slotman on October 15th, 2003 at 5:06 pm
  3. Justin: it’s not the NCAA — the NCAA doesn’t care one way or another about splitting off certain sports. It’s the conferences themselves that don’t want (overtly) split loyalties and agendas. That sort of thing killed the Big East.

    The reason certain sports like hockey, wrestling and lacrosse operate semi-independently of the established “all-sports” conference alignments is that those sports often developed that way out of club teams, independent of the athletic departments, that formed their own regional leagues.

    Football and basketball, though, were pretty much what started the whole “athletic department” idea anyway. Schools tended to gravitate toward playing other schools like them, and outside the Northeast, these collections of similar-minded institutions usually grew into conferences. Splitting football off from that would be an extremely radical change that nobody’s prepared to make as long as the money keeps flowing.

    Josh on October 15th, 2003 at 6:23 pm
  4. Thanks, Josh! I needed that. Two questions:

    1. I know you’re arguing from the ACC’s point of view, but in what sense is this move possibly good for BC?

    2. Doesn’t letting in Miami—MIAMI?!?—sort of render any arguments that the ACC picked BC over (say) West Virginia or UConn based on academic inferiority null and void? I thought Swofford and Father Leahy went to the same frat or something.

    Gawd, I don’t care anymore. I’ll root for Seton Hall and Villanova no matter where they play, the MAC already has my football loyalty, and I will continue to hate the Virginia, Syracuse and Princeton lacrosse teams. It’s all I can do.

    Justin Slotman on October 15th, 2003 at 6:54 pm
  5. If you believe the reconstituted BE would have held the BCS bid, then this move was mind-blowingly stupid for them — its only benefit would be for the egos of DeFilippo and Fr. Leahy.

    But I think it’s total self-preservation for BC. I’d bet that the reconstituted BE, even with BC, would have at least been forced into a playoff with the MWC, C-USA, or maybe MAC champ for the sixth BCS spot by the ‘05-‘06 BCS contract renewal. With the bowl records of the leftover BE teams (Cuse can’t win the big one, WVU rarely wins at all, BC no one knows or cares), resting your hopes for a $1M+ BCS revenue share on those teams’ backs wouldn’t be a very good idea.

    FWIW, I have a love-hate relationship with the ACC. I grew up watching ACC basketball, and obviously, I’m overjoyed that VT is in. But I’ll also remember the contempt with which several of the schools in the ACC (UNC, Maryland, UVa, occasionally Duke) have treated us over the years. I’m hoping that this expansion will water down the elitism, and I’m certain it will water down the control the Carolina Mafia (UNC, NCSU, Duke, Wake) has held over the conference.

    Believe it or not, Miami is actually a respectable academic institution, despite the thuggish reputation of its football program. Both they and VT are solid Tier 2 schools in the US News “National Universities-Doctoral” rankings, while BC is 40th. (The rest of the BE football schools are Tier 2 as well, except for WVU in Tier 3.) I’m not sure why BC received Miami’s favor in negotiations; I would have expected Syracuse to get that benefit, with Donna Shalala and Kenneth Shaw having worked together. shrugs

    Josh on October 15th, 2003 at 7:43 pm
  6. Since we’re talking about the Hokies and hockey, I’ll jump in here. As far as the University of Miami is concerned, I hate to say it as a VT grad, but I’d be willing to bet it is tougher to get into Miami as a student than Tech. As far as football players go, they can let in anyone, pass anyone and graduate anyone, so I think VT gets the nod as far accountability for its atheltes is concerned.

    Boston College is a bad choice for the Big East, flat out. But, like Miami, they are a very selective, private university and since the ACC presidents are calling the shots in expansion, that’s all they really care about — besides the money that a conference title game would bring. While the ACC will make more money with a title game, the PAC-10 and Big 10 are the real winners. They don’t have a conference title game and their chances of having someone play for the national title just increased.

    Harv on October 16th, 2003 at 10:07 am
  7. The carolina mafia?! Now I like the sound of that! Trade your marinara for vinegar barbecue (the only way to consume barbequed pork in my opinion and don’t get me started on beef barbeque…)

    The carolina crowd ran the ACC for several reasons and none of them have to do with football. They have more tradition in basketball, soccer, and field hockey and I dare say you’ll find better academic schools in the existing conference. (Virginia Tech and NC State are actually considered “sister schools” because of their similar backgrounds, i.e., land grant ag schools turn engineering/technology research megaliths)

    The academic caliber also explains the certain amount of elitism from the conference. With the exception of Clemson and Florida State, most of the schools are known for their educational credentials, not their sports prowess. If you think that Miami is hard to get into, try Wake Forest or Duke! Even UNC (who I am biased towards just a little bit) rejects 30,000 in-state applicants a year! You might as well be ivy-league caliber if you want to get into any of the three out of state. (the state actually caps out of state acceptance at 18%) Where Miami and Virginia Tech differ is in their size, and a perception that quantity dillutes quality.

    I’m happy VT is in the ACC and I think Maisel is right, BC just became the Baylor of the ACC.

    capt.taco on October 17th, 2003 at 11:17 am
  8. It would be best if you guys could get your facts straight before spewing so much venom towards BC. Where does the hatred stem from, anyway?

    There’s so much that I want to say in response to all of these posts, but with limited time, I’ll just say for now that a fundamental flaw in all of the above argument is that you are forgetting that the ACC wanted BC from the start of all this, and not Virginia Tech. Argue about the reasons for that if you will, but it’s a fact. I can see plenty of reasons for it but there is no need to even argue them. The facts speak for themselves.

    mike on December 17th, 2003 at 4:03 am